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Author: joan
Date: 01-25-04 15:25
After reading all of the posts concerning Luna's experience don't you think it is safe to say that if you took a group of people, all weighing the same, all the same age, height, virtually as identical as you could get them, and put them on the EXACT same diet and exercise program they would all not lose the EXACT same amount of weight?
Although I do believe the bottom line is calories in vs calories out - the key to weight loss, it is possible that the genetic makeup would be different for different people and their weight loss might differ from one to the other. Some people may find it harder to lose weight than others even when all the variables are the same.
But, I write this not to disagree, just to point out that everyone is not the same. It seems that our "core" message is usually the same - you have got to eat less than you burn but for some people this "less" may be less than some one else.
Joan
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Author: Doug
Date: 01-25-04 15:40
There would be some variation but not much. I would expect a few percent at most.
I do agree that some people are naturally skinny and some are naturally fat. But this is because naturally skinny people do not feel hungry all the time when they are at their proper weight, not because they burn calories inefficiently.
Doug 272/164/170
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Author: joan
Date: 01-25-04 15:54
Ahhhh........"the always feeling hungry" factor may be true. And I do not believe it is always a psychological problem when some people feel more hungry than others.
Researcher are continually finding out there are certain genes that make up who we are and they do cause certain things to happen in our bodies.
Don't we all know people who say, "No, I really am not hungry very often".
I am hungry all of the time!! And I firmly believe it is not all in my head. I really don't believe that those that don't feel hungry most of the time are "better adjusted" than those who over eat. Not all, anyway.
But............until they come up with the magic pill that targets that gene I guess we will all continue to try to eat less than we burn.
Joan
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Author: Luna
Date: 01-25-04 19:49
Are you a doctor Doug? A nutritionist? A kinesiologist? An endocrinologist?
Just like everyone else here, you have your research that you have done as well as your personal experience that fuel your beliefs about weightloss. If you have been and are successful with the calories in versus out method, then again, I congratulate you. Personally, I refuse to live my life by the scale..... measuring food weights, portions, calories and so on. I have been for a while, if only to prove to myself that I wasn't overeating -- which I"m obviously not. Different people lose weight differently. If there was a "one fits all solution" then there wouldn't be literally hundreds of different diet plans, approaches and so on would there?
Bottom line, we should ALL keep an open mind.
PS -- a calorie is simply a measure of energy. It is precisely the amount of heat required to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degree celsius at 1 atmosphere of pressure -- that's all. There are thousands of different chemical reactions that go on in our bodies daily. There is more to life than calories in versus calories out -- point finale.
Luna
PSS -- Thank you Joan for your open mindedness and for coming to my defense in saying that we all have opinions and a right to express them :)))
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Author: Missy
Date: 01-25-04 21:04
If you think about it, the saying cal. in vs cal out, if it were totally and complete the hole exisistence(?) of weight loss then we would be able to loose the exact amount of weight at the same pace, at 100lbs. from healthy weight or 10lbs. from healthy weight. The amount we put in according to the amount we work out being the same as we loose weight we should continually see weight decrease at the same exact speed right? But we all know that that does not happen at all. The closer you get to your goal the actual harder you have to work at it, and sometimes you end up having to put more calories out than what you put in to get that last 10 lbs off. Right? Thats what I keep hearing anyway I'm not that near to goal so that part is just hear say. Just my 2 cents worth I could be completely way off out there in left field, but I just had to say it!!
Missy
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Author: Doug
Date: 01-25-04 22:40
The amount of calories you burn (calories out) is proportional to what you weigh. When I weighed 272 pounds I burned about 3500 Calories a day. At my current weight I only burn about 2300 Calories a day even though I exercise now. So in order to lose weight at the same rate I would have to eat 1200 fewer Calories now than when I was at 272.
Doug 272/164/170
Post Edited (01-25-04 23:15)
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Author: Doug
Date: 01-25-04 23:06
If you are not losing weight you are overeating. It really is that simple.
Even if you are burning half the calories of everyone else you will have to eat less and/or exercise more if you want to lose weight. When you were on BFL you were eating less, exercising more and weighed less. It worked for you then and it would work for you now. Why not go with what you know works?
Eating less does not mean you have to walk around all day with a scale. Just look at what you are eating and find a way to reduce it. I never used fitday.com or counted calories until the last 20 pounds. I just looked at what I was eating kept slowly reducing it. When I did use fitday it was useful, I was surprised how many calories were in the fruit I once regarded as something I could eat as much as I wanted of. But counting calories is just a tool that can be used to eat fewer of them. Eating fewer calories is what matters, not the tools you use to do this.
Which is why there are hundreds of different diet plans. If eating a high protein diet helps you eat fewer calories you will lose weight on Atkins. If eating a very low fat diet helps you eat fewer calories then you will lose weight on the Ornish plan. Everyone has to find the best way for them to eat less and/or get more exercise if they want to lose weight. But denying the fact that less food and more exercise is the only way to lose weight has never helped anyone lose weight.
Doug 272/164/170
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Author: Luna
Date: 01-26-04 05:32
If it's worked so well for you, then how come u still need to lose weight?
I'm done, not going there anymore. Not worth the effort.
Luna
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Author: Doug
Date: 01-26-04 06:50
I dont. As a 6'0" man I have lost all the weight I need to. If anything I should gain a few pounds back. Check out the before and after pictures in my profile.
Doug 272/164/170
Post Edited (01-26-04 09:04)
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Author: Lesleybird
Date: 01-27-04 12:27
Doug, How do you know there are only a few percentage points difference in the way amount of calories one person can eat vs. another? Have you ever heard of something called brown fat that some people have more of that actually wastes burns off extra calories? The body is not a perfect burning machine.....so many other things like hormones like insulin and others come into play that can make one persons metabolism vary a lot more than a couple of percentage points than others. Some peoples digestive system may not even absorb all the calories a person takes in. We are not all as equal as you think. Lesley
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Author: CJ
Date: 01-27-04 13:48
Doug isn't saying that everybody burns calories and loses weight the exact same way. Our bodies are all different but the basics of weight loss are all the same. You have to burn more calories while eating less calories. That's it.
CJ
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Author: Doug
Date: 01-27-04 19:04
Food has been a scarce commodity since life began. Since it started life has always sought to make more efficient use of food. Having a “high metabolism” that needlessly burns calories would be a lethal genetic flaw in times of famine, which until recently were pretty common. In many parts of the world they still are all too common. Hundreds of millions of years of evolution is behind your body doing everything it can to conserve every possible calorie of food at all times. Even if it does not need the fat now it might in the future.
Your body ALWAYS works as efficiently as possible.
Your body ALWAYS stores any spare calorie it can find as fat.
Your body NEVER burns extra calories needlessly just because it has them.
How many calories you burn each day is mostly determined by (in order of importance):
1 – How much you weigh.
2 – How active you are.
3 – Your body composition. (Muscle burns off a little more food than the same weight of fat)
4 – How efficiently your body converts food into energy.
Item 4 is like your body temperature. Everyone’s is virtually the same and anything that can change it by more than a few percent is the result of a serious medical condition or likely to cause one.
I think the car analogy is a good one. If you took a bunch of cars that weighed the same, had similar size engines and drove them on the same trip at the same speed they would all use about the same amount of gas. They would use less gas than a really big car or cars being driven very fast. And there might be a couple of them with a serious mechanical problem that caused them to use more gas than the others.
But what you would NEVER see is for one of these cars to have a mechanical problem that caused it to use significantly less gas than the other cars. If there was a way to use less gas all cars would be designed that way.
The human body is also designed to be as efficient as possible. If there was a way for it to perform while using less food we would all be that way. A healthy body is an efficient body. While there are some medical conditions like tapeworms, certain types of cancer and gastric bypass surgery that can result in someone needing significantly more food than others those conditions are thankfully uncommon. There are no conditions that result in someone needing significantly less food than someone who is healthy. If you look for actual numbers even the most severe thyroid condition only results in a 15% reduction in calories burned and a lot of that is due to the low energy levels that condition creates curtailing how active someone is.
Doug 272/164/170
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